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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul: Friends among the John Birch Society</title>
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		<title>By: Max in WA</title>
		<link>http://evilqueen.demesnes.net/2007/07/23/ron-paul-friends-among-the-john-birch-society/comment-page-1/#comment-58802</link>
		<dc:creator>Max in WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m only 39, but I gave up TV in the early 90s.  I don&#039;t know what the Daily Show is either.  It seems almost laudable to me for a candidate to NOT be sucked into the black hole of TV anyway.  And when you listen to Ron Paul talk, it&#039;s plain he&#039;s actually done some reading and thinking -- probably because he doesn&#039;t spend his whole day watching the pop-culture pap du jour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m only 39, but I gave up TV in the early 90s.  I don&#8217;t know what the Daily Show is either.  It seems almost laudable to me for a candidate to NOT be sucked into the black hole of TV anyway.  And when you listen to Ron Paul talk, it&#8217;s plain he&#8217;s actually done some reading and thinking &#8212; probably because he doesn&#8217;t spend his whole day watching the pop-culture pap du jour.</p>
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		<title>By: Áine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Áine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not knowing about Jon Stewart and the Daily Show was the least of my criticism about Ron Paul, which is why it only got one line.

BTW, I know you&#039;re a big Ron Paul supporter, Yuriy, and I admire you for coming here to my blog to defend him where the NV CoH doesn&#039;t apply. I&#039;m not sure what your grandfather or Joseph Stalin have to do with Ron Paul, or why you keep making that association. Paul says socialism doesn&#039;t work... but has he ever heard of Scandinavia where it works just fine?

There&#039;s other criticism of his views out there on the Internet too. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oilempire.us/ronpaul.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; was some interesting reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not knowing about Jon Stewart and the Daily Show was the least of my criticism about Ron Paul, which is why it only got one line.</p>
<p>BTW, I know you&#8217;re a big Ron Paul supporter, Yuriy, and I admire you for coming here to my blog to defend him where the NV CoH doesn&#8217;t apply. I&#8217;m not sure what your grandfather or Joseph Stalin have to do with Ron Paul, or why you keep making that association. Paul says socialism doesn&#8217;t work&#8230; but has he ever heard of Scandinavia where it works just fine?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s other criticism of his views out there on the Internet too. <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/ronpaul.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> was some interesting reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuriy Bilokonsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuriy Bilokonsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather is seventy-nine, bent, decrepit, and watches Fox News all day with the volume turned up so he can hear.  He also fled Stalin in Ukraine, and served in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.  He&#039;s got no clue what&#039;s going on the world these days, but you can be damn sure Stalin was far worse than anyone in the JBS.  People simply age at different rates.  And Ron Paul probably doesn&#039;t spend much time watching TV.

Aine, what you have is academic information.  When it comes right down to it it simply doesn&#039;t factor in the human condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather is seventy-nine, bent, decrepit, and watches Fox News all day with the volume turned up so he can hear.  He also fled Stalin in Ukraine, and served in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.  He&#8217;s got no clue what&#8217;s going on the world these days, but you can be damn sure Stalin was far worse than anyone in the JBS.  People simply age at different rates.  And Ron Paul probably doesn&#8217;t spend much time watching TV.</p>
<p>Aine, what you have is academic information.  When it comes right down to it it simply doesn&#8217;t factor in the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Marden Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marden Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ll second that Bob!  Way to go, Áine, and I love that Celtic script Á!  I tried to learn Irish once, then gave up....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll second that Bob!  Way to go, Áine, and I love that Celtic script Á!  I tried to learn Irish once, then gave up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Áine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Áine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Thank you, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://evilqueen.demesnes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you, Bob.</p>
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		<title>By: r.w.dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>r.w.dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it doesn&#039;t, as I can attest.
Aine, (and this is NOT an age related statement) you are a breath of fresh air over a sometimes stagnant pond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it doesn&#8217;t, as I can attest.<br />
Aine, (and this is NOT an age related statement) you are a breath of fresh air over a sometimes stagnant pond.</p>
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		<title>By: Áine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Áine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear, Mardé! Age has nothing to do with it whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear, Mardé! Age has nothing to do with it whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Marden Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marden Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 78 years old and have been watching the Daily Show for several years, and I also like the Colbert Report.  Give me a break?  Also, the JBS sucks and always has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 78 years old and have been watching the Daily Show for several years, and I also like the Colbert Report.  Give me a break?  Also, the JBS sucks and always has.</p>
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		<title>By: Áine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Áine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I forgot to address this bit: &quot;He’s 71, of course he doesn’t know what the Daily Show is.&quot;

Does age have anything to do with being aware of media, or even informed about the demographics he&#039;s hoping to persuade to vote for him? The man is running for _president_, it&#039;s his business to know all about that, as well as the media and the shows he&#039;s going to make an appearance on. Well-informed &lt;a href=&quot;http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/comedy.politics/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;audiences&lt;/a&gt; come from The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, as well as late-night TV in general.

Age doesn&#039;t have anything to do with being (or pretending to be) uninformed. And he&#039;s the same age as John McCain, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I forgot to address this bit: &#8220;He’s 71, of course he doesn’t know what the Daily Show is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does age have anything to do with being aware of media, or even informed about the demographics he&#8217;s hoping to persuade to vote for him? The man is running for _president_, it&#8217;s his business to know all about that, as well as the media and the shows he&#8217;s going to make an appearance on. Well-informed <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/comedy.politics/index.html" rel="nofollow">audiences</a> come from The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, as well as late-night TV in general.</p>
<p>Age doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with being (or pretending to be) uninformed. And he&#8217;s the same age as John McCain, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Áine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Áine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Wikipedia is edited by... everyone. And, of course, you realize that conservatives have already been caught _multiple times_ editing anything unflattering out of the pages of politicians, groups, and organizations there... right? If not, you should know that that&#039;s been a bone of contention since at least 2004. As it is, the wikipedia page for John Birch Society has this right at the top of the page: &quot;The neutrality of this article is disputed.&quot; And in the Discussion part of the page: &quot;...this page faces constant attempts to insert bias that favors the group.&quot; Any questions?

...

The link above for JBS at SourceWatch gives you some substantial clues about that organization. The John Birch Society has its roots in the precursor to McCarthyism and the rabid anti-Communist witchhunts that occurred in that era. Ron Paul is old enough to know all about that and what the John Birch Society advocates, then and now. 

According to the link above at SourceWatch:

&lt;blockquote&gt;JBS advocates the abolition of income tax, and the repeal of civil rights legislation, which it sees as being Communist in inspiration. For this reason, its opponents characterise it as a white citizens&#039; society dedicated to preventing minorities from gaining political power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That isn&#039;t referring to the past but the present.

Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=004073M&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chart&lt;/a&gt; showing the degree to which members of congress vote on matters favorable to the John Birch Society. If you scroll down to Ron Paul&#039;s name, you&#039;ll note that he has a 100% rating. If you click on his name there, it will take you to his page and show you that he&#039;s had that rating for several years.

Here&#039;s an excerpt from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Publiceye&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In a sense, the Birch society pioneered the encoding of implicit cultural forms of ethnocentric White racism and Christian nationalist antisemitism rather than relying on the White supremacist biological determinism and open loathing of Jews that had typified the old right prior to WWII. Throughout its existence, however, the Society has promoted open homophobia and sexism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And yes, there may be blacks who were or are members of JBS, but (from the same source above):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite its opposition to civil rights, throughout this period the JBS had a handful of black conservative members who supported this position on philosophical grounds involving states rights, economic libertarianism, and opposition to alleged communist subversion of the civil rights movement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For interested parties, the FBI HQ main file on the JBS is 62-104401 and consists of about 12,000 pages. J. Edgar Hoover or his top subordinates referred to the JBS in FBI memos and reports as &quot;extremist&quot;, &quot;irrational&quot;, &quot;irresponsible&quot; and &quot;lunatic fringe&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Wikipedia is edited by&#8230; everyone. And, of course, you realize that conservatives have already been caught _multiple times_ editing anything unflattering out of the pages of politicians, groups, and organizations there&#8230; right? If not, you should know that that&#8217;s been a bone of contention since at least 2004. As it is, the wikipedia page for John Birch Society has this right at the top of the page: &#8220;The neutrality of this article is disputed.&#8221; And in the Discussion part of the page: &#8220;&#8230;this page faces constant attempts to insert bias that favors the group.&#8221; Any questions?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The link above for JBS at SourceWatch gives you some substantial clues about that organization. The John Birch Society has its roots in the precursor to McCarthyism and the rabid anti-Communist witchhunts that occurred in that era. Ron Paul is old enough to know all about that and what the John Birch Society advocates, then and now. </p>
<p>According to the link above at SourceWatch:</p>
<blockquote><p>JBS advocates the abolition of income tax, and the repeal of civil rights legislation, which it sees as being Communist in inspiration. For this reason, its opponents characterise it as a white citizens&#8217; society dedicated to preventing minorities from gaining political power.</p></blockquote>
<p>That isn&#8217;t referring to the past but the present.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=004073M" rel="nofollow">chart</a> showing the degree to which members of congress vote on matters favorable to the John Birch Society. If you scroll down to Ron Paul&#8217;s name, you&#8217;ll note that he has a 100% rating. If you click on his name there, it will take you to his page and show you that he&#8217;s had that rating for several years.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt from <a href="http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html" rel="nofollow">Publiceye</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a sense, the Birch society pioneered the encoding of implicit cultural forms of ethnocentric White racism and Christian nationalist antisemitism rather than relying on the White supremacist biological determinism and open loathing of Jews that had typified the old right prior to WWII. Throughout its existence, however, the Society has promoted open homophobia and sexism.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yes, there may be blacks who were or are members of JBS, but (from the same source above):</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite its opposition to civil rights, throughout this period the JBS had a handful of black conservative members who supported this position on philosophical grounds involving states rights, economic libertarianism, and opposition to alleged communist subversion of the civil rights movement.</p></blockquote>
<p>For interested parties, the FBI HQ main file on the JBS is 62-104401 and consists of about 12,000 pages. J. Edgar Hoover or his top subordinates referred to the JBS in FBI memos and reports as &#8220;extremist&#8221;, &#8220;irrational&#8221;, &#8220;irresponsible&#8221; and &#8220;lunatic fringe&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: r.w.dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>r.w.dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be checking back to see how/if you answer that question, Aine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be checking back to see how/if you answer that question, Aine.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s wrong with John Birch society?  never heard of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s wrong with John Birch society?  never heard of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Eres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Eres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s 71, of course he doesn&#039;t know what the Daily Show is.  And the John Birch Society is worse in popular culture than it actually is, according to its Wikipedia page it seems like just another libertarian group with some bad eggs in the past giving it a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s 71, of course he doesn&#8217;t know what the Daily Show is.  And the John Birch Society is worse in popular culture than it actually is, according to its Wikipedia page it seems like just another libertarian group with some bad eggs in the past giving it a bad name.</p>
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